Is it true that foreigners are heavily subjected to the Thai dual price system? Although there are some instances where a lower price is offered to Thai locals and higher prices are offered to everyone else, it’s not as bad as you may think.
We’ll be upfront and say that, in our experience, most purchased goods or services are not subjected to the Thai dual price system.
As expats in Chiang Mai, we shop regularly at our local market and pay the same for meat and produce as Thai people. We go to our favorite Thai restaurants and bars and pay the same for food and beer as Thais. We shop at the mall, buy gas, send off mail, all for the same price as Thais.
These examples, which make up the majority of our purchases in Thailand, are no more expensive for us than it is for our Thai neighbor. That or the local Thais do a phenomenal job at making us believe we pay the same amount as them…but we suspect that’s not true.
Where Can You Expect to Find This Two-Tiered Price System?
There are several rumored reasons why the Thai dual price system exists. One is that the average foreigner is assumed to have more money than the average Thai and can afford to pay more. Others say that because foreigners don’t pay taxes, it’s a way to cover maintenance costs at
The Thai dual price system does exist in some forms of public transportation, popular travel destinations such as temples and national parks, and sometimes at touristy markets.
These price differences are typically found at places that are visited more by tourists and generally less by expats.
Taxis, Tuk-tuks, and Songthaews
Not all public transportation is more expensive for foreigners. No matter what nationality you are, you can expect to pay the same for train, bus, and airline tickets.
But it’s true that visitors can expect higher quotes from
A ride for 200 baht ($6 USD) around a Thai city is a steal for anyone who has hailed a cab in a Western city for ten times the amount, so why question the price? Of course, the ride home with a metered taxi at half the cost may turn you sour at the thought of being ripped off earlier.
Here are a few ways to prevent being overcharged:
- Request that the meter
be turned on in a taxi since it’s not usually used by default. If the cabbie refuses or makes up excuses such as, “Gas is so expensive”, or “The meter is broken”, pass him up and hail a new one. - In the case you find yourself dropped off at a popular yet isolated tourist area (at border crossings,
train stops in the middle of nowhere, etc.), the cabbies have the advantage and know you have no other choice but to use their service. In these instances, barter politely, but you may just have to grin and bear the higher prices. Even local Thais are subjected to these higher prices if the drivers know they have the upper hand. - During your first day in a new town, ask your server or hotel concierge for the flat rates of the local public transportation. Knowing this will significantly reduce the chance of being overcharged. Also, avoid asking, “How much?” Drivers will see it as an opportunity to make more money and suggest a higher price. Saying something like, “It costs 30 baht, right?” works well, in addition to asking in Thai if you know how.
Attractions
Temples, national parks, and some entertainment and attraction venues have signs at their entrances advertising a higher price for foreigners than local Thais. Often, this is advertised discretely in Thai numbers instead of Roman numbers. Sneaky sneaky! In fact, there’s a site called 2PriceThailand.com that has a long list of attractions that charge different prices based on nationality, whether the prices are discretely listed or not.
National parks are notorious for the Thai dual price and are probably the worst offenders. We’ve personally seen prices that range from twice as expensive to ten times more expensive for foreigners the last time we took a short trip to Krabi.
Some temples charge an entrance fee for foreign visitors but allow the locals to enter for free. However, others still rely on donations from all visitors.
Lastly, there are some entertainment facilities that charge more for foreigners than they do the locals. For example, the Art in Paradise 3D art museum charges 300 baht for foreign adults and 180 baht for Thai adults. On the other hand, movie tickets are the same price.
TIP: Sometimes, you’re granted the local price if you can prove you are here long-term by showing a Thai drivers license, a work permit, or a Thai residence card. Also, politely speaking Thai to the person supplying tickets might get you a discounted rate as well. While it doesn’t always work, it’s definitely worth a shot! |
Thai Restaurants
We haven’t (knowingly) eaten at a Thai restaurant and been handed an English menu where the prices listed are more expensive than the menu written in Thai. In fact, many of the mom and pop Thai restaurants have menus written in both Thai and English with one price for everyone.
When we order from street stalls, we overhear the vendors giving the same price (spoken in Thai) to Thai diners as they give us. We can read both the separate Thai and English menus and those prices are still the same, too.
We admit having had a few mishaps at Thai restaurants during the high season in Chiang Mai (October through January). Particularly on the handwritten receipts, we’ve been overcharged on several occasions by 5 or 10 baht on an item or two we ordered. Perhaps our server thought they could squeeze a few extra baht out of us, hoping we wouldn’t notice? It could have been an honest mistake, too.
Touristy Markets
We haven’t noticed obvious Thai and foreigner prices at the outdoor food or walking street markets. When buying produce, often the price signs are on display and you can watch them put the food items on a scale and calculate the total price for yourself.
In the sign advertising drinks above, you’ll notice there are two prices. These prices have nothing to do with your nationality. Instead, it’s the cost of having your beverage put in either a plastic bag (
As for shopping at walking street markets, expect to be quoted a high price at the beginning of a transaction. In
Why Get Upset About the Thai Dual Price System?
We understand why people are turned off by the Thai dual price system. It’s especially bothersome for a person who comes from a country in which tiered prices, i.e., discrimination, are illegal, such as America like us. It’s the principle of the matter, right? Many people believe that inflating prices based on a person’s nationality is insulting.
We try to not let it bother us. We think past it and remind ourselves that we are traveling around and exploring this beautiful, friendly, and incredibly affordable country. And of course, if we think the price is too much, we spend our money elsewhere. Mai
All in all, there are only a handful of situations where prices differ for foreigners and Thais. Even so, the differences are generally small enough to just shrug off. Otherwise, relax and know that wherever you are, you’ll be sure to pay much less than anything back home.
Thats when you flip over and earn Thai baht instead of dollars or euro you can feel why locals pay that price. euros and dollars makes significant difference in terms of value you get over in Thailand. exchange a giant lolly for 10 good small lolly. People self create opportunities to earn or hopefully rip off few more bucks from tourist or expats because they dont know the local rates and how it works/ operates in Thailand. there’s no fix rule in Thailand . Anyway, its still cheaper as compare back in your country . i’m ok with the culture… Read more »
Agreed about how it would feel different when you earn baht!
On Koh Samui we met an expat who said there was three tiers of pricing there, foreigner – expat – local. I’m thinking though the expat tier might only ring true on establishments owned by fellow expats. Annoyingly, he didn’t offer to buy our beers at his cheaper price!! Haha
How interesting about a third tier. Perhaps the expat tier is for other expats or foreigners with a Thai license. And yeah, too bad about the beer!
Extremely useful article. I tend to negotiate everything and eat at local mom and pop type of places. Thanks
In a bartering culture, it’s well worth it to try to negotiate everything, as long as it’s reasonable. And you’re sure to get great deals at mom & pop restaurants!
I agree! In Phuket, there are few places that work on a dual system. Food is certainly not one of them. I have seen motor taxi, and tuk-tuk drivers offer services for far less but that isn’t surprising. The food costs in Phuket are higher than those in Chiang Mai anyways. A typical dinner out for the two of us is usually around 160-200 baht. That’s with usually two entrees and two non alcoholic drinks. When we visited Thailand six years ago, it wasn’t this way. You’d see a lot more restaurants with prices omitted from the menus. Its rare… Read more »
Almost everywhere we’ve traveled in Thailand is more expensive than Chiang Mai, so we always look forward to going home after a trip :) We’ve heard about menus not including prices (strange!), but we’ve never experienced that ourselves. If we had, we’d just do what you said and politely leave without making a stink.
Great post, thanks! Where I noticed it in Koh Chang was the national parks. Thai price was 20 Baht while ours was 200 Baht. I understand tourists having to pay a higher price, but if you relocate to the island and settle in and start earning baht rather than euros or dollars it would make sense for you to pay the local price regardless of where you’re from originally. Just my thought on it.
Definitely. Having the Thai license or showing a work permit helps goes along those lines. There’s a huge difference in what Western societies make and the average Thai makes, and you really feel it if you switch over and start working in Thailand!
Dual pricing are everywhere in the world, even here in USA, for example some State, the local resident pay less than non-resident by show their state ID (including attending college and university). Local resident receive coupons thru the mail to certain events, local attraction and receive discount than non-resident. It’s safe to say that Thailand is not the only place in the world to have dual pricing. If your smart and savy of these places, than you certainly can avoid it, especially tourist trap area. Much like scam, it happens where a lot of tourists go.
Great point! We think many people are just upset when the price difference is based on skin color… a big No No in America! Tourist places really are the worst…
Great point–growing up in Florida, my first thought was that FL residents pay less for theme park passes than out-of-towners.
just got back from 3 months in Washington state, when I stayed in Seattle by the airport it was 160.00$ for 2 nights and when I got into CNX and stayed 2 nights at a hotel it was 43.00$. I am so glad to be back in CM where even tho I may be charged a few bht more for some things, it still so much savings over what I was paying in the states, ITS NO BIG DEAL TO ME, sabai sabai.
To this day it makes us so happy knowing we can get a nice hotel in Thailand for less than $50. Not a chance in the US!
We have this dual pricing system in my country (Sri Lanka) too. Specially in some tourist attractions they charge more than 10 times as entrance fee and of course it’s legal according to our tourism board. But no seller can ask for more than the printed prices, if anyone ask you to pay more just ignore them.
Tuk-Tuk guys work like a team, so it’s useless to go for next tuk-tuk in the same group. Just walk a little bit away and take a tuk-tuk from there.
Great point! We agree that tuk-tuk or songthaew drivers may work in packs, so going down a different street or ignoring an entire group before hailing another may be the only way to avoid those high prices.
As for the touristy attractions that charge more for foreigners, we think it matters how much you really want to go and if you are willing to pay the higher price!
Hi Guys, “Mai bpen rai,”, indeed. We feel like we’re stealing things in Chiang Mai. Each night I’d head down to the street stalls and eat for 40 Baht. I mean, a FULL MEAL for 40 Baht. Insane. You guys know. So I feel OK with the system, even though it’s outright racist and illegal in the US, as you often say….It’s Thailand. I never got the angry ex pats and tourists who get fired up over this. Move back to your country. Pay 5 to 10 to 20 times more for the price you’re complaining about. Hey, it’s cheap… Read more »
Haha, one can totally argue we are getting something for practically nothing. A meal for around a buck (including prep, cook, and cleaning?) Are you kidding us?! Good luck with that in the US!! Although we don’t use tuk-tuks or songthaews too much, on the rare occasion we do, sometimes it’s just best to politely decline if they quote an outrageous price. Save face, move on, and there will be another driver willing to take you on as an honest paying passenger. The bottom line is that we will never pay such low prices back home, so we are thankful… Read more »
This is one thing I cant stand about traveling. The trust factor, especially with street vendors and local transportation. I ride public whenever I can and I usually dont buy anything other than food. Thanks for the breakdown on everything. Is there a dual price on housing I wonder?
We agree, this part can really take the fun out of traveling and leave you feeling stretched thin. We think it would be hard to know if there is two-tiered pricing for Thai housing unless you get your Thai friend to call for a quote. We used online realtor sites (in English) and the price advertised was what we ended up paying for our house and we were happy with it.
Please note, in Bangkok taxi’s are required to use the meter now. Only the shadiest driver will refuse – and you don’t want a ride from that one anyway. One of the things I noticed when I visited last year after a looong absence is that the tuktuks in Bangkok are now outrageously expensive, at least for farang and they are not interested in bringing the price down. I’m glad I got to ride tuktuks in Bangkok in the cheap and dangerous 1980’s. Tuktuks are more dangerous for obvious reasons, but they were sometimes less dangerous than cabs because it… Read more »
Glad to hear they are enforcing the meters now. We rode in a tuk-tuk once (both thrilling and terrifying!) in Bangkok, but don’t remember what we paid. Even in Chiang Mai they are outrageously priced compared to a songthaew. The thing is, riding in a tuk-tuk is a novelty, so we understand the higher price. But it’s certainly too expensive for every day transportation!
Last time we used taxis in Bangkok, 2 of our 3 taxi rides we had to demand the driver turn on the meter. One was pretty sure of himself until we ourselves demanded to be let out of the taxi. Then he thought for a few seconds and flipped the switch. I suggest to all readers that you stand your ground and demand the driver turn on the meter! The crazy thing is that they are still friendly after all of this! It’s just about trying their luck I think. Opportunity is still king in Thailand. Know that you can… Read more »
We’ve been in similiar situations. You can politely, but firmly, request for the meter or simply say “No thanks” and get out. We just wish there was more consistency!
Good article Chris and Angela. We use public transportation almost exclusively when we aren’t walking. When we hail a songthaew we just tell them where we are going (in Thai if possible) and get in. 20 baht. If they want more they will say so before we get in and then we can bargain if we feel the price is too high. We never ask them how much or tell them how much because that makes them think we are farang tourist and the price and negotiating becomes more challenging. Everyone seems to have their way of doing it and… Read more »
It’s good you have a system that works. At least there are plenty of songthaews around if one wants to charge higher prices. We have our Thai drivers licenses, too, but haven’t used them yet in situations that have two prices. This should be interesting for all of us…
I have experienced this at the national parks where I was just lumped in under the term “Foreigner”. It was no big deal paying double because to enjoy a beautiful park for a couple bucks is a steal. Now the tuktuk mafia on the other hand is more hard to swallow. I can see where tourists can get ripped off easily. Those staying long-term should really try too develop a relationship with a few drivers and for that exclusivity you might be able to just call them on the phone when you need them! I’ve seen this done and rides… Read more »
Great tip to snag a good driver’s contact info to use later when you need a ride! Some drivers actually do have business cards, which is perfect. The tuk-tuk mafias are outrageous. Don’t get us started!