A little more than a week ago we returned from a month and a half long trip home to the USA. We saw friends and family across six states, drank countless glasses of fine wine and craft beer, and came to truly appreciate central AC and heat, clean public restrooms, and environmentally friendly to-go containers.
After a grueling 30+ hour transit back to Thailand, we slept in our familiar bed, our cat accepted us back as his slaves caretakers, and we’re already thinking about what’s in store for us in Thailand in the upcoming months.
But as much as we pride ourselves on being able to switch from “Thai life” to “American life” and back again after our yearly trips home, there are always feelings of nostalgia when we return to Chiang Mai.
Are we doing the right thing, living here halfway across the world in Thailand? Don’t we miss our old life back in the US?
We’re not the only ones questioning our decision to live in Thailand.
“The Talk”
It’s inevitable. Each time we visit the US, friends and family ask, “So, when are you coming back?”
This time that question felt persistent, heavy. We’re nearing the five-year mark living in Thailand (even longer if you count the time it took preparing for our move) and we’ve asked ourselves the same thing: Should we stay here in Chiang Mai? Move to another place in Thailand where there are more opportunities for us, such as Bangkok? Consider somewhere else, such as Lake Atitlán, Guatemala or Barcelona, Spain?
But what people really mean to ask is, “No, when are you REALLY coming back home?”
In particular, Angela’s mom and sister pressed the question, followed by, “We feel like we’ve lost a daughter and a sister.”
We miss the creature comforts
Outrageous traffic and freezing weather aside, there are things we miss about the States.
Large, plush couches we can sink into while watching our favorite Netflix series.
Good, solid restaurant service. With bathrooms that are properly stocked with toilet paper and hand soap.
High quality, authentic, squeaky clean everything.
Ovens, dishwashers, washing machines – oh my! These items are practically a standard in every house.
We could go on, but you get the idea.
… and the security of a 9 to 5.
We admit, there’s a small voice in our head asking a very common yet practical question: “How will you explain that 5-year gap on your resume?”
We are not exempt from traditional adult responsibilities in life. In fact, it feels strange not having any conventional long-term plans. We feel lost at times, wondering if we made the right decision after all.
What no one tells you about being an expat
A few issues that seem to have appeared since moving to Thailand:
Problems are magnified
Had your credit card gobbled up by the ATM? Need to find a pet sitter while you’re gone for a few days? Locked out of your apartment? What would’ve been a headache back at home oftentimes turns into a head-splitting conundrum. Cultural differences combined with different laws and language barriers can take an issue and blow it up tenfold, even for the most of minor things.
And what if you forget to extend your visa but the immigration office is closed on an unexpected holiday? That’s something you’d never deal with as a citizen in your home country.
You’ll lose your sense of identity
We once were able to respond with a clear-cut answer to the age-old question, “Well what do you do?” It used to be that we were an operations manager and an underwater acoustic analyst. Now we wear many hats and is not so defined: blogger-writer-consultant-social media manager-investor…
Establishing meaningful relationships is challenging
Can you meet people? Certainly. But developing deep, meaningful relationships and meeting others who have the same life goals as us have been more difficult than we thought. Between the constant influx of travelers passing through, it’s difficult to know who’s here to stay for good. This goes for dating, too, as far as all our single friends have said!
Is the grass greener on the other side?
We start yearning to live in the USA. To go back to working the 9 to 5 because we’ve been told that that’s normal. We are not immune to asking ourselves “What if we just went back…”
We might have a bigger house. A fancier car. All thanks to the Hedonic Treadmill effect.
But on the flip side, we’d have debt and only two weeks of vacation. And it scares us to think that we may be sitting in the same office in 20 years!
Do we want to look back on our life when we’re 80, 90, 100 years old and say we’re happy that we moved abroad and did things we enjoyed – traveling, spending time with like-minded people, and taking care of our physical and mental well being – with a fraction of the money but with more time than we had in the US?
Or will we be proud to look back at earning college degrees, certain titles at our jobs, and earning a cushy paycheck?
Ask yourself: What makes you happy?
What makes you happier: Having ample free time? And the flexibility to make your own schedule? To set your own priorities?
Or does routine make you happy? A guaranteed paycheck? Planning and long-term goals? Social status and material things?
We’re a mix and that’s why we feel the pull in both directions. That’s because there are great things in America and there are great things in Thailand, too.
Our friends and family tell us how much they want to do what we are doing. Or at the very least, how cool it is. We’re extremely lucky to be able to wake up every day and enjoy life, like the Mexican Fisherman. Thailand allows us that.
We love that we have remained debt free for the past five years. There’s no car payments that tie us down, or a mortgage or outrageous utility bills. We have taken a huge step back from consumerism, too, which we find to be more challenging to do while in the USA.
We love that we can travel whenever we want to at the drop of a hat. This includes a yearly trip back to the USA to get our fill of favorite foods and to catch up with friends and family, who we sometimes see just as much, if not more, now! that we live in Thailand! Or the long weekend trip to Bangkok, the islands, or up in the hills of Northern Thailand. It’s an incredible feeling knowing that we can live our lives according to our own schedule. And the truth is, we experience more freedom living in Thailand than we ever did living in the United States.
Only time will tell if we’ve made the right choices. But for now, it’s hard to imagine going back to what we worked so hard to leave behind nearly five years ago.
Are you still sold on Thailand? Let us know why (or why not) in the comments below.
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Hi guys, im so glad i found your blog. Ive been to Thailand only 2x for a month at a time and have been in a (very) long distance relationship with a wonderful woman. She is from Chiang Mai and has family there. She’s visiting me here in the states for an extended period of time to see if we can take our relationship to the next level. Were thinking of starting an air bnb business in CM and living there. I know its not perfect there with the smoke season and cold season but im extremely ready to stop… Read more »
Hi Chris and Angela, Interesting post, thanks! I feel like your Mexican Fisherman post kinda misses the mark. Because that Mexican fisherman probably experiences a sense of belonging in Mexico. He (Mexican in Mexico) is probably loved and accepted and supported by his community. Minorities in Thailand are discriminated against by the majority and isn’t that the definition of racism? No matter how good you are, you can’t get a better job, volunteer, or I don’t know, meet and forge meaningful connections with people. Not all Thai people are like this but most Thai people judge minorities negatively and then… Read more »
Thanks for sharing your different perspective on the Mexican fisherman story. We see what you mean. And you’re right that Thailand isn’t perfect, but for now, the cons outweigh the pro. Thanks for commenting :)
Our son and his family live in Chiang Mai. We will visit there this December. (2018) We are thinking of retiring there but obviously need to get some real honest information about many topics. I’d love to correspond by email with an Expat and meet with several while there in December. My son is a help, but with two small daughters and a full time job teaching at an IB school (plus the fact that he just isn’t too talkative) means I’d like to talk with others. Can you help? jmark1949@yahoo.com. I’m on Facebook if you want to check me… Read more »
Hey Mark! Thanks for reaching out in your quest to discover more about retiring in Chiang Mai. We’ve sent you an email with information about our Thailand Coaching Sessions. Talk to you soon.
Hi! We are planning to make the same transition in 2-3 years. We currently live in Washington DC and plan to “retire” early and move to Thailand. We spent 2 months in Thailand last year and your blog was a great guide (we did Phu Chi Fah sunrise based on your blog posting). Will be following your blog closely as we plan our next steps. Thanks!
That’s so great to hear you visited Phu Chi Fah based on our recommendation :) We hope to continue to inspire you in your preparation to move to Thailand as well as to visit the lesser-known attractions once you’re here again.
Great article! My boyfriend and I are traveling I have quit my job and he is still working because he has the flexibility to work from home. We started in January and plan to be gone for a year. Currently in Thailand and loving it!!! Actually heading to Chiang Mai tomorrow. We struggle with what we will do all the time after this year is up. How did you two decide to really make Thailand a long term decision? Also any must do’s in Chiang Mai?
Hi Shannon! Welcome to Chiang Mai :) We’re happy to hear you love Thailand, too ;) If you want our top things to do here, we recommend seeing the city skyline from Doi Suthep, going to a Khantoke dinner dance at the Chiang Mai Cultural Center, and visiting the Elephant Nature Park. Check out these posts for more ideas while you’re in town: 12 Amazing Things to Do in Chiang Mai and DIY Chiang Mai Day Trips. We made Thailand a long-term decision because CM is so expat friendly. We were able to meet like-minded people, find familiar Western comforts,… Read more »
Great article! I’ve considered many of these things in anticipation of moving there next year. I do think I’d very much miss the college football season and pro for that matter. Is there any way to pick up ESPN or Fox Sports over there or are there bars or restaurants that show sports from the good ol US? Also, it looks like the UV index is off the charts there compared to the US. Angela looks like she might be fair skinned as I am so is the answer tons of sunscreen everyday? Hats? Staying indoors during the mid-day when… Read more »
Love your blog, stumbled upon it last year when we first moved to Thailand. We originally came here for me to teach (in BKK) at an international school for 2 years, but just signed on for an additional two, with intentions to stay at least 6 more (until our youngest graduates high school). My family is now asking us the same questions as yours, but they know our purpose here (missionary work). What you say in this post, and what some commenters below say as well, resonates with us – we’re still “sold on Thailand” as well, and I have… Read more »
Thanks for sharing your story, Nicole, and joining the ranks. It’s great to hear you’ve signed on for an extra two years at your school in Bangkok – we have several friends who have done the same here in Chiang Mai. It’s crazy how you can go from living in the US to here with the certainty you’ll never go back permanently, huh? We’re just living the life and going with the flow. Cheers to that!
Were thinking of moving to Thailand next year. We are from WI but currently live in Spain. We travel with our pup and are nervous about this. Would he be fine? Other than that we’d really be interested in moving to Thailand.
If you live in a house with a fenced-in yard, yes, your pup will be safe. Luckily, most houses in neighborhoods or those located in the main parts of town come with a fence or enclosure to keep out street dogs. We don’t recommend walking your dog unless you’ve scouted the area first. Public parks don’t usually allow dogs, although there’s a big exception in Bangkok.
What a nice lifestyle! and totally adore Thailand!
I LOVE this article. You guys are relatable in so many ways and I am looking forward to reading more from you! Even though my boyfriend and I haven’t left yet, I am already dreading these future questions. Thanks for your insight!
no, but when are you really coming back? ;) well, i can attest after coming back after one full but short year of travel, it’s still difficult to become content on the treadmill. i don’t believe you guys would even have issues with a 5-year gap because you’ve developed skill sets that are marketable ANYWHERE in the world with your literary styles and images. however, i would suspect you guys would suffocate in the worlds of ties. i will be back to cnx soon and hope to meet you guys and will be there permanently in a few years. thanks… Read more »
I love this! I lived in Bangkok two years ago and it was the happiest time of my life- i could actually afford to go out to eat, try different sports, you name it! Living in the US is just so much more expensive and then you work and don’t have time to enjoy it! Actually, I’m trying to convince my boyfriend to move with me to Chiang Mai and that’s how I stumbled on your blog. I also wonder whether I want to have a “normal” life in the US or live as an expat- it’s hard and especially… Read more »
I can relate to this article since I have been contemplating on migrating to Thailand. I have been here in the Philippines and working for a Thai-American employer here. I would be moving in Thailand in a few months and makes me think if this would really make me happy. I like the work, yes – doing sites – Thai tech news, but I would certainly miss my home country.
What I think now is, it is easy to return here if I miss the food, places, and etc.
Interesting read. Thank you for posting it.
I’ll second what Mr. Darby has to say, but that’s a whole ‘nother discussion, and I’m too close to it myself. I am interested in what modestly pensioned retired expats have to say about this subject though, since I’m, well, getting close to the possibility for modestly pensioned retiremment myself.
One of the things that seems to get overlooked by younger people that expatriate from the U. S. and stay away for a long time, beyond a resume gap of a couple, or five, years, is what happens to their retirement options. If one does not pay in to Social Security, at a minimum, or work and save a nest egg through something like a 401(k) plan, as one who is at the point (age 56) where my pension is vested and I can literally retire any day, it’s a sobering thought to realize that my retired life could be… Read more »
As the lovely lady below said we are also 100% without question sold on staying in Thailand, for all the reasons she said and more. We sold up everything in Australia and have a wonderful life retired in Chumphon Thung Wua Laen beach. A most beautiful quiet almost tourist free place. Have no intention of going back even for visits I wouldn’t waste my money to be honest, yes family come here, skype mandatory and iherb a must. There is really nothing we can’t get at least alternatives for, and only once a year treat send a package of delicacies… Read more »
Thanks for sharing that. Do you mind disclosing approx age of you both and total AUD living costs per year ?
I am 58 and husband 69. We have built our own home so no ongoing rental costs and so his OZ pension otherwise pretty much covers day to day living expenses.
My wife and I have been digital nomads since 2010. We’re, not spring chickens, being grandparents 5 times over now. Thailand is on our list for the fall of 2018 and we have been reading a lot of blogs about life there. This blog is wonderfully written. I was curious about the above message – “We have built our own home…” – I was looking into this and was under the impression that expats could not own property in Thailand. Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
We are completely, absolutely, without question 100% sold on staying in Thailand. We love everything about it. We love how unpredictable the sidewalks are. Discovering where the good bathrooms are. We love that you can buy a smoothie made of fresh fruit pretty much anywhere – a massage is never more than a block away and… if we are out and don’t want to walk anymore a Songtaew is nearby to take us home. There isn’t anything we miss from leaving Canada. Not with social media, Skype and yearly visits with our kids (we fly them here rather than us… Read more »
HAH! “Discovering where the good bathrooms are.” This is is so true. We have a running list of the good ones are around Chiang Mai’s Old City :)
Yes, love the smoothies (Khu Kae’s is our favorite in CM).
We love that songthaews are just a wave away but now feel utterly spoiled with Uber. Our motorbike is currently collecting dust…
Well, you have us convinced you’re hooked on Thailand (as we currently browse iHerb, which we hadn’t hear of before… thanks!)
Ok I have to let you know about iHerb!!! Not only can you get lots of great quality products from them… but they give discounts when you order more at one time. The only problem is that the shipping company they use (which is ah-mazingly great) can only put a specific weight and $$ amount in each box. So what to do? Well… you go on the ‘live chat’ option and let them know that you want to purchase more and still get the discount. They’ll have you place the orders for the items and then they immediately go in… Read more »
We buy all the time from iherb, always get charged 7 baht no big deal though. Always arrive and very fast. Be careful though to keep your orders under $46US though otherwise as stated on their website you will get charged additional duty. The shipping costs are really low and some items are called shipping saver so even lower so don’t be tempted to go over the recommended US $46. Cheers.
Swanson Vitamins also delivers overseas. You can check out Swanson Vitamins to compare prices.
“…running list of the good ones….” I got a good laugh out of that. I bet that’s a list that’s closely held and jealously guarded.